Cross Post

I am cross posting this from another forum. You can figure out the subject and the positions just by reading it.

It appears to me that the straw man in the discussion is your insistence that the past sins of America must be acknowledged before we can point out the problems existing in the Muslim countries. While we flog him the female and gay killings in Iran and other countries continue.


The culture that I refer to is as much a result of Islam as ours is the result of Christianity. The religious background and content cannot be separated. I find it humorous that you want to talk about the KKK et al, but not about the result of centuries of Sharia law. And you can’t separate Sharia law and Islam. They go together.


And it is not the “reasonable Muslim” in Turkey that I am concerned about. It is the unreasonable Muslim in Turkey that bothers me. That and the fact in country after country the radical Muslims are pushing for control. Our de facto acceptance of the killings, etc., does not help the reasonable Muslim. In fact, it sends him a signal that we do not find them so terrible, so why should he put himself at risk opposing them?


You speak of women’s rights being relatively new, and that is correct. That is also all the more reason to support them. Freedoms briefly enjoyed are easier to take away.


I consider myself a social liberal, believing in the things that the Democratic Party once claimed to. Women’s rights, gay rights, equal opportunity, national health care, Israel’s right to exist, etc. Yet now I find the Democratic Party in the control of the Left, and the Left has abandoned Israel and is afraid to admit the lack of women, gay and minority rights in the Muslim countries because they think that would somehow be seen as support for the war in Iraq and Bush.

You may consider me unsophisticated. I am who I am. A ROF that has lived all over the world and observed many cultures up close. Based on what I have read from you, I consider you, and those who you flock with, to have a false understanding of the world, and a false belief in your abilities and intelligence.


In the final analysis, progress is not made by the “reasonable man,” but by the “unreasonable man.” You pontificate “be reasonable.” Don’t rock the boat. All cultures are equal. I reject that. If we are going to have a country that is based on Western culture we are going to have to demand that the Muslim immigrants become westernized. Europe has not done that and it is most likely doomed.