Friday, February 26, 2010

Treason and the Left



It seems that every time I turn around some Leftie is calling someone who says nasty things about Obama and/or his policies a racist or a traitor who has just committed treason.

The racist claim cannot be proven in any case but the treason bit is pretty straightforward. From the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Now, the last person I think that fit that description in a very public way was Jane Fonda who went to North Vietnam and made statements of support for them. The government had an open and shut case against her but no one had the guts to charge, try, convict and hang her.

Pity.

But there were plenty of others as this interview of the North Vietnam general Bui Tin shows:

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

A: Keenly.

Q: Why?

A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

Q: How could the Americans have won the war?

A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.

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So until something like that happens, dear Lefties, please be so kind as to quit talking through your nether regions and join the rest of us in the real world.

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4 comments:

  1. The obvious conclusion that America should've become a military dictatorship in the 60s, then the way would've been made for winning in Vietnam.

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  2. Huh? Notice I said charge, try, convict and hang.

    That's how it is done in a Democracy. Of course you probably think North Vietnam's education camps were o.k.

    BTW - How does it feel to be part of a group whose protests and actions prolonged the war and caused millions to be killed? Pretty cool, eh?

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  3. Except that to try, convict and hang people, they have to have committed treason in the first place, and there was no war declared between the USA and the North Vietnamese government in the first place.

    Slight little flaw in your calculations.

    As for your second question, there obviously wasn't enought death and destruction in Vietnam to your liking, and how many more American and Vietnamese lives would've been worth the price of victory there?

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  4. Hmmm. Did you read the Constitution? Evidently not.

    “shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort”

    Hate to pop your over inflated ego but you don’t have to have a declared war, only have war levied against the US. Certainly the attacks on US soldiers and a US f treaty partner meets that. Plus, we have this in the Aid and Comfort area.

    Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

    A: It was essential to our strategy… Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

    And no, obviously we didn’t kill enough North Vietnamese because we didn’t win the war. Instead of using our vast and over whelming military might we dithered around using “proportionate” responses and lost 58,000 or so US citizens and a million or so South Vietnamese and let a power vacuum develop in Cambodia that resulted in millions more.
    All of this thanks to people like Fonda.

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