harrogate fails his chance

It will be interesting to see the apocalyptic justifications of people like you, when the GOP drags the country into war with Iran and Russia, too.

If we go to war with either country it will be because of their actions. Perhaps you have been in a cave for the past ten years and have heard nothing Iran has said. Putin is hell bent on regaining all of the territory the Soviets lost when he was a KGB man.

Lines have been long drawn in the sand (heh) on Iraq. You talk a lot about how wise Bush was. Probably most Americans don't see it that way anymore. Maybe war as a last resort. Maybe a President who would rather, if he had his druthers, not be at war. Seems attractive to most voters this time. But the milk is spilt, we are there, and our embassy and bases there are gaudy, enormous, and not going anywhere ever.

I never said Bush was wise. Read my post again. I noted that his actions were reasonable based on the information he had. I would hope any President would always fall in the direction of "protect the country first." Plenty of mistakes were made after the invasion started, some by the Military, some by State.

Perhaps the worst error in judgement was thinking that we could just bounce in and then bounce out. That didn't work in Vietnam and despite Rumsfeld's "new strategy" claim it was 35 years old.

As for new bouncing baby wars there is all sorts of opportunity for new Strains of Rah-Rah kill em all rhetoric. Certainly you will do your part.

When war comes I will be supporting the troops. If you consider this "rah rah" then I believe you were educated as described in my earlier post.

"I live a few miles from Santa Monica High School, in California. There, young men and women are taught that America is “a terrorist nation,” “one of the worst regimes in history,” that it’s twice-elected leader is “the son of the devil,” and dictator of this “fascist” country. Further, “patriotism” is taught by dragging an American flag across the classroom floor, because the nation’s truest patriots, as we should know by now, are those who are most able to despise it.

This is only high school, remember: in college things get much, much worse."

Still. Give McCain credit. McCain has lied his arse off this campaign, but one thing he has done a pretty good job of being honest about, is in communicating eagerness to go to war with Iran and ("we're all Georgians today") Russia. And he vows to keep us a permanent presence in Iraq, 100 years no big deal.

I not a rabid supporter of McCain but I will vote for him and he is right on Iran. It is better to kill a snake when it is young. You should study some history of the run up to WWII and understand that it could have been easily stopped by France and England showing resolve. Indeed, when Hitler sent his troops to occupy the Rhineland his Generals were instructed to withdraw at the first sign of resistance by France.

But, sigh. Many who vote McCain won't be doing it because they want any part of these wars. Or because they hold the lives of their loved ones so cheaply that they would sign off on, say, their only son being KIA in Georgia. Nor will they be voting for him to reward the GOP for its record on the economy, after eight years in the White House and only recently removed from 6 years of controlling the entire Federal Government. Which has worked out so well.

The above paragraph makes little sense. As for the economy, I note that the price of gasoline was $2.25 when the Democrats took control of the economy. Seventeen short months later it was $4.00. Why? Because OPEC and the speculators knew that if they ran the price up while the Repubs were in charge action for drilling in the US would be forth coming. With the Demos in charge they had an open check book.

Yet even after all the pain and the collapsed economy because of oil prices Nancy Pelosi would not introduce a bill... and even now has shepherded a useless piece of legislation through Congress.

BTW - You do understand, don't you, that Pelosi purchased stock in one of Picken's companies CNLE that is pushing alternative energy sources. Thus high gasoline prices makes her money. That is called "conflict of interst" and a Special Prosecutor" is clearly needed.

While there is a lot that will help McCain, so much so that it looks like he will win. None of his electoral advantages appear related to issues. Hmmmmm.

And so the people of this country will have a hard time pleading "we didn't know" if this time next year McCain is doing what he's said he will do. Fortunately they will have the likes of you to remind them of their duties to accept it all.

The duties of a citizen of this constitutional republic is to study the issues and vote for the person they believe will do the right thing. After that there is a thin line between protesting in such a manner that does not send the wrong message to our enemies and demonstrating to them that if they just hang on, if they just kill a few more Americans they can, as they did in Vietnam, win a political victory.

The worst thing that came out of Vietnam was the empowerment of the Left and the establishment of a cadre of America haters in our universities and high schools. If we lose in Iraq the worst thing that will come out of it will be the belief by the radical Muslims that they can do what they please.

You should remember what bin Ladin told Peter Arnett on 3/97.

REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad against the United States and against the US ?

BIN LADIN:... So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.

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