An answer to Average Muslim's, "We don't hate you."

The following is an answer to a post on the “We don’t hate you” website. It is from a self-identified “Average Muslim.” The Average Muslim’s comments are in italics. My response is in plain text.

Dear America... We don't hate you, and we don't hate your way of life.

This is quick note to clear up some confusion. It seems like lately one cannot watch the news, or read a newspaper without reading about the threat of "the Islamist agenda".

In that case, give the GZ mosque Imam a call and tell him to quit pushing what millions of us see as a monument to the radical Muslims who killed 3000 or so Americans on 9/11 by killing the flight crews, hijacking airliners and flying them into the twin towers while screaming, “God is great!”

I mean it would be a help if your Imam would just shut up about it. We don’t want to be consoled, reached out to or patted on the head.

Got that?

I am a Muslim, and the big agenda on my mind today was if i should get my wife an iPhone or an iPad for her birthday.

Well, the big agenda for many today is where they will have the memorial service for Daddy on Saturday. I mean since his body was completely destroyed there was nothing to bury and little “Suzy,” who is 13 now, keeps having dreams that Daddy is still alive and burning.

Her screams wake her, and the rest of the family almost every night.

Lack of closure is a problem for many when a loved one dies.

It may be hard to believe when you follow the news, but consider this:

Today, hundreds of thousands more Muslim teenagers woke up worried about their teenage acne, than those who woke up pondering terrorism;

Today, hundreds of thousands more men woke up pondering if if Liverpool would ever win the Premiership again, than did woke up pondering "the downfall of the west";

Today, hundreds of thousands more muslims woke up and wanted the new iPhone 4, than did woke up wanting some sort of WMD.

We really are regular folk. We like walks on the beach, and pretty sunsets. We enjoy reading good books, drinking good coffee and the company of good friends. We hope that our kids graduate well, are well mannered and we sometimes don't call our moms back as soon as we should. Our moms feel proud when we do well, and they have hopes and dreams for us too. Our dads spend hours on the sports page and our kid sisters hit us up for money whenever they can.

For hundreds of years, we have been happily working side by side in society. We are builders, bankers, students, scientists, janitors, presidents and teachers. We still serve in militaries around the world and we are firemen and policemen and protect and serve. We sing the national anthems of our countries and blew Vuvuzelas when our countries played in the World Cup. We just happen to pray differently.

First of all, no. You have not been here, at least in any number that attracted attention, for hundreds of years. As a group you are a recent addition and as a group you have insisted on drawing attention to yourselves by demanding special facilities and rules at public schools, not transporting legal passengers in public transport and, among other things, dressing so that it would be impossible to identify you in case there was a crime involved. (I could continue but I won’t.)

And yes, you do pray differently. No problem there. But this stuff of demanding special prayer rooms at work and at airports, as well as the GZ mosque, bothers people.

The basis of all of these demands is your religious law, Sharia.

Look at it like this. We don’t have a bunch of Christians in Mecca demanding they be allowed to build a church.

In the meantime you demand tolerance.

Tolerance goes both ways. You want respect? Then give respect.

Sure we feel bad when cartoons insult our revered figures, but we feel even worse when it spurs violent (really un-Islamic) protests. There are more than a billion Muslims in the world today, and a veritable handful who react with violence. Surely you must see that this isn't representative of us all? We don't look at the Abu Ghraib fiasco and assume that all Americans torture people at the drop of a hat. Many of us still serve in the US Armed Forces!

Glad you mentioned Abu Ghraib. First, the US Army was in full investigation mode before it hit the New York Times. That’s how we do things. Secondly, can you name me Muslim people and/or organizations that is/are/were seriously looking for the killers of Daniel Pearl??

There is a small group amongst the Muslims who are violent extremists, and there are a small group of hawks who need a new bogeyman. Let's not let them define the world for the rest of us.

Well, in today’s connected world, define “small.” WMD’s are real. And the last person to use chemical weapons was Saddam.

Now we know that every Muslim is not a radical. I mean, in spite of the attacks/plots before and after 9/11 in the US and around the world, the FBI says the incidence of hate crime attacks against Muslim is the smallest of any group.

Have you considered that?

And have you considered that maybe it is time to quit yelling that we do things your way? I mean you came here, yet you appear to be determined to bring all of your past with you.

Why is that?

Did you come here to be an American or did you come here to find a better economy and to be allowed to do what you want to do, irrespective of what the rest of us think?

Our national motto is, “In God we trust,” and “Out of many, one.” You claim to believe the former but your actions show you don’t believe in the latter.

The sad truth is that a bunch of guys burning cars is always more newsworthy than a bunch of guys handing in their TPS reports, but trust me, the latter happens many more times per hour by guys like me all over the world, just going about our business.. just like you..

/Average Muslim.

The sad truth is that the so-called Moderate Muslims are letting this happen because they are not taking action. If the Muslim world actually condemns honor killings, let it stop them. If the Muslim world condemns stoning, let it stop the barbaric practice. If the Muslim world condemns lashings, beheadings, forced marriages, no schooling for females……let it stop them.

Let the Moderates step up and take control of their world. Stop the riots and killing when a cartoon is published. Quit the threatening and screaming “I’m insulted.”

In other words, when you have removed the mote from your eye, come back and see me.

An Average American

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OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

All week long I have heard about Nazi book burnings

Well, here is a radical Muslim book...and people... burning.



OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

Muslims and progressives and insults and rights

The question is not whether or not burning Korans, or any book, is “smart.”

The question is whether or not our Florida preacher should be allowed to do it.

The answer is yes. It is wrong but it is his right.

The question is not whether or not Muslims will riot, threaten to riot and protest and claim they are “insulted.”

The question is should we care.

The answer is no.

The question is not whether or not the Koran burning will increase hatred against our troops.

The answer is yes.

Many in the Muslim world population, driven by the extremists among them, and much like the political correctness gurus within the US, are professional “insultees.”

And the Muslim extremists use this as a weapon against us.

The way to take that weapon away from them is to say, “We don’t care.”

Does anyone actually believe that forbidding the burning of Korans will stop the Taliban? Stop al-Qaida?

The answer is no.

And isn’t the question, why are we in Afghanistan and Iraq?

In Iraq it was thought that a well developed country had WMD’s. It was later determined they did not, or else they had hidden/shipped them someplace. But what was found was the will to reinstitute programs to develop nuclear weapons and chemical/biological. (Remember Saddam had rockets capable of delivery.)

We went through Iraq’s military almost without pause. But the mission was changed to “nation building.”

Have we been successful? The answer is still out but what we are seeing as Obama withdraws our troops is more violence. I would give the odds of a successful conclusion at 50-50.

In Afghanistan we had a country of tribes living at around the 10th century level outside the major cities and, perhaps, late 19th century in the major cities.

Having fallen under the control of the Taliban they harbored bin Ladin and allowed him, and al Qaida, to piece together an attack on 9/11.

We could discuss who was responsible for the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc., but we know they happened because of radical Muslims, so who cares what flavor?

So we went to Afghanistan to take down the Taliban and capture bin Ladin. We had fair success with the former but bin Ladin fled into Pakistan.

We reduced our efforts in Afghanistan while concentrating on Iraq but we are now back. Our glorious leader has told the Taliban we will be leaving next year and guess what.

The enemy sees victory in his grasp and is killing Americans to keep the pressure up. Vietnam redux.

I have never seen anything as stupid as Obama’s statement. He made it to satisfy his Leftie base and it is now killing US soldiers.

So the question of can we “nation build” in Afghanistan is already answered. We cannot. Obama surrendered when he said what he said.

Now we have an extremist Muslim using unknown financing and mouthing hateful statements about America claiming his right to build a mosque at ground zero. And the people who faint at the thought of a manger with a doll representing baby Jesus on a shopping mall’s parking lot and demand clerks be fired for wishing them “Merry Christmas” are shouting that they must be allowed to do so because they have religious freedom.

Now we have a preacher who wants to burn Korans.

And the same people who support the Muslim Imam attack the preacher.

That is hypocritical.

And the claim is that Muslims will riot and kill and our troops will be in danger. Some even go so far as to claim that we will be more in danger of attack within the US.

Folks, if you buy this excuse and condemn the preacher there is a word that describes what you have done.

Surrender.

You have been intimidated into accepting Sharia law which condemns burning the Koran.

Our military goes in harm’s way not to protect themselves, but to protect us and to insure that our rights are not infringed.

Is the preacher doing what he should not do? Yes.

Is the Ground Zero mosque builder doing what he should not do? Yes.

Two wrongs do not make a Right. And sometimes we have to decide which one is the lesser of two evils.

Your call, Folks.







OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

The progressive Urban Partnership Bank... say who??

A few pages down I posted a long post on Shore Bank and its storied associations with the same old players.

Now Shore Bank has folded and we find that a "new" group of investors have rushed froward. The name? "Urban Partnership."

David Vitale, a former First Chicago Corp. senior executive, helped line up a group of investors that immediately bought $1.54 billion of ShoreBank's deposits, most of its $2.14 billion in assets and 15 branches from the FDIC. Other investors in Urban Partnership Bank include Goldman Sachs Group Inc., J. P. Morgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp., American Express Co., Harris N.A., State Farm Insurance Cos., Wells Fargo & Co., the Ford Foundation and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.
Mr. Vitale is now chairman of Urban Partnership Bank, which aims to continue ShoreBank's mission of three decades: lending to low-income urban neighborhoods.

A number of investors, including those who are currently backing Urban Partnership Bank, tried to bail out ShoreBank earlier this year. The move was heavily criticized by some politicians who claimed that President Barack Obama's ties to the Hyde Park-based ShoreBank encouraged Wall Street lenders to help bail it out.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Move along, please.

And the check's in the mail, the Beamer's paid for, I will respect you in the morning.... and I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.!

Hat tip to reader tacon1
OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

Progressive Newspeak from AP

Stop the presses! This just in: The Associated Press “standards center” has issued a “staff advisory” on covering what is to be known from here on out as “the New York City mosque.” From now on, the AP “staff” – and, therefore, everybody who still actually reads newspapers that still actually use the wire service’s copy – is supposed to conform to what amounts to the Muslim Brotherhood narrative about the Islamic cultural center formerly known as the “Ground Zero mosque.”

This is disgusting. And it is typical reframing of the debate by changing the name.



AP’s Deputy Managing Editor for Standards and Production, Tom Kent, sent this “guidance” out to his colleagues yesterday, with inputs from Chad Roedemeier in the New York bureau and Terry Hunt in Washington: “We should continue to avoid the phrase ‘Ground Zero mosque’ or ‘mosque at Ground Zero’ on all platforms. (We’ve very rarely used this wording, except in slugs, though we sometimes see other news sources using the term.) The site of the proposed Islamic center and mosque is not at Ground Zero, but two blocks away in a busy commercial area. We should continue to say it’s “near” Ground Zero, or two blocks away.”

Interestingly, among those who formerly used the now-proscribed descriptor “Ground Zero mosque” is none other than Feisal Abdul Rauf, its imam and chief promoter. He called it that even though the proposed venue has always been two blocks away from the World Trade Center site.

Perhaps Rauf used this moniker because his planned location for the mosque was part of the real estate attacked and damaged on 9/11 – the home of the Burlington Coat Factory until it was struck by a landing gear from a plane that struck one of the Twin Towers. Perhaps he used that term to brand his “Cordoba House” because body parts from the victims of those attacks have been found all over Lower Manhattan, including the old Burlington factory area, making it part of the hallowed ground.

Or perhaps, Imam Rauf called his project the Ground Zero mosque because he wanted to associate his 15-story, $100 million complex as closely as possible to the location where nearly 3,000 Americans and other innocent people – precisely because they were murdered there by people who wanted, as he does, to “bring shariah to America.”
The last explanation would certainly conform to the triumphalist past practice of adherents to shariah, the barbaric, totalitarian political program that masquerades as a religion. Indeed, there is a tradition of constructing mosques at the site of previous Islamic conquests for example in Jerusalem, Istanbul and Cordoba, Spain. (See www.NoMosqueAtGroundZero.com). Yes, it was for Cordoba – where a Catholic church was converted into the world’s third largest mosque by the Moorish conquerors of Spain – that Rauf wanted initially to name his Ground Zero mosque.


OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

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Progressive school system fires Nashville teacher

The song linked to was written by Bryan Glover, a teacher in Nashville who also coaches Middle School football. He was, the educational bureaucrats in Nashville claim, fired not for his views but because he used the database of the parents of the players to email them the song from his computer at his home on his time.

It is usual that when you have a child in football email is used to announce practice times, schedule times, etc. In fact, sometimes to sell such things as equipment. Yes, high school football has equipment provided. The lower grades do not.

Now, I ask you. Was what he did a firable offense? I think not.

But then I am not a Progressive Teacher angered over someone criticizing The Cat Food President, aka Obamie.

Anyway, here's the song. And I hope Bryan will sue the heck out of the school.

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Hat tip to Mike L.

OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson

Why Progressives never condemn radical Muslims and support their efforst to get Sharia Law installed in the west

As I wander the Internet I notice a strange thing.

Lefties, aka Progressives, are always attacking America and Christianity. My country wrong or wrong and the Crusades are the fault of America and the reason why the radical Muslims attack us.

Given that, in too many places, stoning females, hanging gays and honor killings are happening, you would think anyone who wears "tolerance" and "religious rights" like a cloak would find time to condemn such actions.

But they don't.

At first I decided that the reason was that Progressives hate Amereica's culture. Thus "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" explanation covers it. But it goes deeper than religion and culture.

An Islamic conference in the Spanish city of Granada has called on Muslims around the world to help bring about the end of the capitalist system.

The call came at a conference titled 'Islam in Europe' attended by about 2,000 Muslims.

Earlier this week Granada saw the first official opening of a mosque in Spain for more than 500 years.

The keynote speaker at the conference was Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, leader of the worldwide Muslim group known as Murabitun.

The group is strongly opposed to capitalism.

Mr Vadillo said America's economic interests had become the religion of the world and that people slavishly adjusted their lifestyles to suit the capitalist model.

But he said capitalism cannot sustain itself and is bound to collapse.

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OnTwitter I am Lesabre1

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

"Logic. There is little logic among the cultural elite, maybe because there is little omnipresent fear of job losses or the absence of money, and so arises a rather comfortable margin to indulge in nonsense." - Victor Davis Hanson